Collapse changes politics and activism: “Martin Luther King Jr. said that the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. Once you factor in reaching planetary boundaries, then the moral arc of history is short and bends towards fascism” – #JustCollapse compatriot and anti-fascist, Dr Tadzio Muller.
His recent interview: https://news.wickedproblems.uk/p/tadzio-mueller-the-case-for-just
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I’m just sad after hearing the entire discussion between your friend and this ambassador of the corporate tech movement.
There is still no such thing as “Just Collapse,” since, by Tadzio’s own example of “what to do,” there are poor people getting murdered or deformed for life by guns. There can never be a shaped “Just Collapse,” since the Agency that is necessary for that is magical in theory, but in reality is held by all the state and state- corporate forces. Unjust collapse is all that humanity can offer, which is why it is hard to hear a decent person such as Tadzio getting seduced by obviously inept, farcical demos where cops earning massive amount of individual overtime use their steroidal forms of brutality to bash the heads in of self-propelled victims of state repression.
r/collapse, as an aggregate, knows this. I knew this, 50 years ago, but who cares, amirite? There is no way out of the speeding car into a slow car, as your friend tries to posit. It’s absurd to think otherwise, but thanks for trying.
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We agree, there is no such thing as a magical singular just collapse in which everyone comes together in solidarity and makes a better world. But this is not what Tadzio and ourselves are talking about. A #JustCollapse is about achieving as much socio-ecological justice as possible through creating solidarity and acting for socio-ecological justice. This can ease the inevitable collapse, but it can’t stop it. There is no ‘happy ending’. Collapse is horribly unjust – many of those least responsible for it are already experiencing the grim end, but it is coming for us all. While some still have agency there is an opportunity to organise and act, for example, through #InsurgentPlanning. There is more to be done than ever before.
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Fair enough, but you should remain open to the countervailing idea that you are completely missing the scale of the problem. The collapse is being operated by over massively endowed corporations and state corporations, making the notion of “agency” against that preposterous.
Making awfulness a “little less bad” is unworthy if that “little less bad” is basically out of our control, and infinitesimal in scope.
Not a popular sentiment, granted, but a few of us are oriented to truth rather than fiction.
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We are struggling to see what point you are trying to make. Collapse is a process and that process is well underway NOW. Here are some examples from around the world about how people use their collective agency in hard times – in opposition or alongside power structures. You seem to just cede power to Big Money, corporations, and government, without recognising what people already do to circumvent these: https://justcollapse.org/2023/03/13/a-little-book-of-insurgent-planning/
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”Centering frontline resistance” seems to be all the rage these days, a form of rote belief against the facts of social reality.
Yes, I do “cede power” to corporations, state-corporations, and their controlled stooges in government, academia, the courts, and media. That’s how life goes in ultrasocial human society.
I understand that these sentiments are basically unutterable in polite society, except over at r/collapse, where they get some play but face enough resistance that I’ll never sign up for that corporate outlet, but I cannot fathom why otherwise decent people see this kind of effort “as trying to make a point.”
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